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Okay, I have a few questions regarding the end of part 2. On page 106 in the regular novel, Montag states, "'Why', said Montag slowly, 'we've stopped in front of MY house.'" How did Beatty know that Montag had more books at his house? Is it possible that Mildred called Beatty after the entire poem situation with her friends? Will Beatty end up burning the rest of Montag's books?
ReplyDeleteI think there is a very strong possibility that Mildred told Beatty because she was never very comfortable with having books in her house. On page 97 Mildred's friends called Montag "nasty" and told him that he was giving them "awful feelings." I think that her friends could influence a decision for her to call Beatty.
DeleteAnswering Johnny's question, I think Montag wasn't trying to accomplish anything, but he was trying to discover. Montag obviously has a strange curiosity that he seeks out.
ReplyDeleteThe captain talks to Montag and makes this remark, “Read a few lines and off you go over the cliff. Bang, you’re ready to blow up the world, chop off heads, knock down women and children, destroy authority. I know, I’ve been through it all”(Bradbury 102). While reading this I wondered if Captain Beatty is trying to tell Montag that he knows the truth. This same thought came up when the firemen arrived at the house and Montag realized it was his own. I think that the Captain had a plan to mess with Montag and he is about to burn down Montags house in front of him. Captain Beatty might want to do this because he knows that Montag has been stealing the books, he doesn't want Montag to start thinking for himself.
ReplyDeleteThe books are referred to as flyings things because flight is a beautiful, mysterious and dangerous thing that changed how the world worked. Books are a beautiful, mysterious and dangerous thing that changed how the world worked.
ReplyDeleteGoing off Caidens question about Bradbury referring to the books as flying objects often. Bradbury associates books with moths and birds, and I think that because they can fly, books in a way can set you free. However, on another hand moths are just ugly butterflies, so maybe books are just things that nobody wants, because they would rather have their "butterfly". Earlier in the book, Bradbury also associates books with pigeons, and when I think of pigeons, I think of something dirty and something that nobody wants. Books could potentially be understood as something old and dirty that nobody else wants.
ReplyDeleteGoing off of Caiden's question and Tiernan's response about books being related to flying objects, i think that the books definitely symbolize freedom and hope. All throughout the book we have said that the books are banned because you can use your imagination and you are more free to think about things. I think Bradbury wants readers to know that books are freeing and he is using the symbol of birds or flying to show that.
ReplyDeleteGoing off of Mackenzie's question from page 106 (regular novel), Is it possible that Mildred called Beatty after the entire poem situation with her friends? I didn't think about the possibility that Mildred might've contacted Captain Beatty. I agree that this may have been the case. Throughout the novel, Mildred has made it clear that she is against books and the knowledge within them, explain why she married a fireman. After Montag read the poem to the women Mildred was upset, "Fool, Montag, fool, fool, oh God you silly fool"(Bradbury 98). She said this to Montag then disappeared from the house. I think that there is a strong chance that Mildred told Captain Beatty about Montag's actions and the books in their house.
ReplyDeleteAnswering Johnny's question I think that burning the books creates happiness by making everyone the same and easier to be friends with. You can all agree with each other because what you know everyone else knows too and only in one way so there would be no reason to disagree with anyone. Books create happiness by making sure there is nothing to disagree with, making a peaceful and almost ideal world.
ReplyDeleteResponding to Johnny's question I think that they were originally creating happiness by burning books because it stopped conflict and allowed everybody to agree on something. Like Beatty says while trying to explain why they got rid of books in the first place, "Colored people don't like Little Black Sambo. Burn it. White people don't feel good about Uncle Tom's Cabin. Burn it." (page 57) Getting rid of these books got rid of what made people feel bad about themselves. This is how they tried to stop conflict and be happy.
ReplyDeleteHappiness has a rough definition that changes from person to person and from society to society but it is basically fulfillment and satisfaction in your life. In the society that Bradbury creates everyone lives the same life without much emotion, therefore happiness is unachievable. Happiness is a powerful feeling that extends a person's life, and those people do not have that. They live a life without purpose and without the freedom of thought that books and the ideas behind them provide, the people do not know that they live a purposeless sad life.
ReplyDeleteI think that Tiernan's comment was really interesting, about how different people can take in a book different ways. On page 102, When Montag is facing Beatty, Beatty continues to recite parts of books. Bradbury writes, "Or this? 'A little learning is a dangerous thing. Drink deep, or taste not the piering springs; There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, and drinking largely sobers us again.'" I think the fact that Beatty would bring this up is really interesting because the quote that Beatty recited states that if they get little amounts of knowledge, they get intoxicated, and they feel like they need more, but when they get large amounts of knowledge at a time, they get sober again. So, if knowing so little just causes them to want more, how come Beatty is solving their problems by destroying the books rather than letting Montag learn as much as he can. Judging by how much Beatty can recite different texts from different novels, one might assume that Beatty has also read quite a few books in his day as well.
ReplyDeleteTiernan's comment makes a lot of sense to me, say someone from Heritage just walked right into Arapahoe, they wouldn't know what to do, because it wasn't familiar. I think that this can apply to multiple different characters in the novel. Mildred for example, was very uncomfortable when Montag started bringing out books and talking about books because it wasn't what she had always known, it was out of her routine. With Montag, once he was introduced to books, he was curious, he wasn't in his regular routine either and he was curious as to what else was out there.
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